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On 7. November 2015, several radio amateurs in northern California heard echoes in the 80 meter band. I was made aware of it by Jack, W6FB in Santa Clara, who recorded signals from K6YT some 25 miles away. According to W6FB, the echo effect was also heard north of Sonoma (several hundred miles north of him, reported by N6ZFO).

KM6I, Gordon, in Palo Alto also heard echoes of his own signals and recorded them. In his blog he analyzed the delay from the output of his transceiver and found 157 ms. He found that to be so close to the round-the-world time for signals of 138 ms, that he assumed that to be the cause.

I don’t agree, so I took the location of W6FB at locator CM97ah (Santa Clara) as a starting point for computing delay. This is latitude 37.31 and longitude -121.96 and gives a geomagnetic latitude of about 42.5 degrees. Then I put it into my program for computing path length along geomagnetic field lines assuming a height of the reflecting ionosphere on the opposite side of 100 km. The result is shown in the figure and predicts a delay time of 126 ms. My estimate of uncertainty is +/-5 ms.

The delay value is slightly less than 138 ms and easy to confuse with a round-the-world path. The challenge with estimating delays like this from the signal is that amateur transceivers may have an unspecified delay between start of transmission and start of sidetone. Measuring on the audio output as done here, measures the sidetone, not the actual RF.

I discussed this source of error in my 2009 QST article “Magnetospheric ducting as an explanation for delayed 3.5 MHz signals.” Therefore the measurement shown above may fit with 138 ms just as well as with 126 ms, it depends on the actual transceiver’s delay.

Other properties of the echo such as the amplitude of the echo which according to W6FB at times was louder than the direct signal. This points to the duct theory as the explanation.

Others have heard such echoes also:

• 210-220 ms, G3PLX, November 2006, 160 m. Listen to the signal here.
• 165-168 ms, K4MOG, February 2006, 80 m. Listen to the signal here.
• 214-219 ms, W2PA, February 2008, 80 m.
• 237 ms, OZ4UN, January 2009, 80m, Listen to audio file where also OZ7BQ very close by heard the echoes.

Other posts on the theme: Magnetospherically Ducted Echoes or Medium Delayed Echoes

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